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Location:

Snoqualmie,WA,

Member Since:

Jan 31, 2008

Gender:

Female

Goal Type:

Boston Qualifier

Running Accomplishments:

Marathon PR: 4:17 at Portland Marathon, Oct. 2007

5K PR 24:37 2009

10K PR 52:58 2010

Have run 22 marathons to date.

No injuries, ever.   :)

Short-Term Running Goals:

Qualify for Boston (4:05 for my age/gender) - or, perhaps, to use my desire for a BQ as a way to get in the hated speed work so I don't just get slower and slower over the years.  This goal is "under (re)construction" right now, until I figure out whether it is truly what I want. :) 


Long-Term Running Goals:

To continue learning about myself and about running, and to enjoy being a fit, happy runner for life.   To always know why I am running and the best way to get the most (both mentally and physically) out of my runs.  To keep a sense of humor and remain optimistic about myself as a runner.  To enjoy running more and more with every passing year. 

Personal:

Baby boomer generation.  Jogged a little in my 20's and 30's.  Started running seriously in 2002.  Low-carb runner since January 2010. 

I love long runs and cold, cloudy weather.  I don't believe in "junk miles."  I am an optimist.  I adore dark chocolate, fog, my family, and knitting -- not necessarily in that order.  

"As every runner knows, running is about more than just putting one foot in front of the other; it is about our lifestyle and who we are."  -- Joan Benoit Samuelson 


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Mizuno Wave Universe 3 Lifetime Miles: 104.14
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.300.000.000.008.30

Objective: easy/moderate

29F,  light snow flurries turning into steady snowfall.  About 1cm of snow on everything except the pavement at first; snow sticking everywhere by end of run. Streets very icy, sidewalks tolerable.

20 min. strength work

A pretty good run. The snow is always nice from the viewpoint of aesthetics. That is, a run in the dark is no longer a run in the dark.  Being able to see more of my surroundings adds a lot of the quality of my running experience.  Slipped a little at times, but I did pretty well considering I had no Yaktrax on. 

I have some questions for my fellow fastrun bloggers.  The first is about naps.  I recorded yesterday afternoon's nap (yeah, I got a nap!) on today's post because it occurred to me that it only affects today's run. I used to add naps to the previous day's post, ie on the day of the nap.  But this way, the nap plus the night sleep will add up to a total number of hours that have their impact on the next run.  Does that make sense?  Which way do you all do it?  Never nap? Well, which way would you do it if you did?

My second question is about cadence. I may have mentioned this before, since I've been wondering about it for a while.  There is a school of thought that recommends a cadence of 170-180 (about 3 foot falls per second), no matter what your overall pace is.  So an "easy" pace would still clip along at that cadence, but the steps would be very small and not very powerful.  I have yet to be able to achieve this.  No matter how small I make my steps, moving my legs/feet that fast always gets my heart rate up. And in the first couple of miles of  run, when I'm warming up, it's just plain uncomfortable.  What are your thoughts about this philosphy and what is your cadence:pace relationship?

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 8.30
Comments
From Dale on Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:15:51 from 69.10.215.11

Wish I got enough naps in to comment on where to record them :(.

Back when I first got semi-serious about running, I worked on getting my cadence up to 180 on every run. At first my HR was higher, but for me that didn't last too long once I adjusted. I think it helped running at that cadence in that once I got used to it, maintaining that turnover was never a problem.

But there was a downside....I believe it led me to understriding. I had to consciously work on that which in turn led me to ease off the strict 180 cadence diet on easier runs.

So, if I had to do it all over again, I would work on 180 cadence running a couple of times/week minimum, during the medium/hard efforts. It also helps if you think you might be an overstrider or a heavy heel-striker (you're forced to a more mid-foot strike). But I don't think letting your cadence dip down into the 170 or even the 165 range is necessarily bad during easy runs. Anything less than that is probably sometime to work on.

IMHO, of course!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:19:26 from 71.229.164.25

I find running on a thin layer of freshly fallen snow to be tolerable, and not too slippery. It's when you cross a side street where the cars have been driving that it gets slippery. Do you concur?

As for your nap question, a nap? What's that. I very rarely get a nap. The one or two times since I started blogging that I've had a nap, I've recorded it on the day that it happened, but I can see your reasoning in recording it on the next day.

On the cadence:pace relationship question, I haven't really tried to count footfalls since I did it once a while ago, but I am conscious of a need to keep up a decent cadence. I don't worry too much about cadence during the first couple of miles when I'm getting warmed up, but after that if I feel that I'm going to slow, I'll make a conscious effort to increase my cadence. But I don't know whether I'm hitting 170-180 when I do. Maybe I'll count cadence on my run tomorrow.

From JD on Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:27:41 from 32.176.143.174

Napping isn't just a city in China. :-)

I know nothing of cadence, I just focus on relaxing and running with good form. However, when I find myself dragging on a run, I find that increasing my cadence just slightly makes a significant difference in my pace with little perceived effort.

From Bonnie on Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:56:41 from 71.210.108.146

Hi Sno, the only days I can nap are Saturday and Sunday. I generally find that a 1/2 nap on Saturdays between my AM and PM runs makes me feel a lot better by the afternoon run. So, at least in my case, I think the nap helps me recover from the 'previous' workout ... but I could be making this up ;-).

I can't think about cadence when I run, it messes up my form (kind of like chewing gum and walking I guess) -- I just try to concentrate on my perceived exertion, breathing, and a little on my form (relaxing my shoulders and getting as much chest expansion as possible). I have tried counting when I do hill repeats - because I read that counting helps with pain and 60-90` up a hill hurts so much (it was an interesting article about surgical pain and counting) -- I don't know if this helped or not, it can speed you up or slow you down. I know one of my best friends started counting the last 3 miles of her marathon PR but it wasn't about cadence it was about keeping her mind off of how much she was hurting.

From jefferey on Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 14:26:16 from 67.171.56.220

I have checked my stride rate and no matter how hard I try it seems to stay between 160 and 170. Weird!

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 18:06:11 from 207.225.192.66

Nice run today!

I can't remeber when the last time I took a nap. Oh wait I think it was last year when I did the Wasatch Back Relay, when I got home I took a nap.

I've never checked my strides, but I think I agree with Bonnie, it would mess me up trying to count and run LOL

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