Hills for breakfast, hold the gnats

I have heard of delayed onset muscle soreness and I'm not surprised that your sore after that long run you did on Sunday. However, I always assumed that the delay was about a day. I've never heard of the delay being two days, but I guess it can be. In any case, you should be better in no time. You're tapering now, right?

I have seen that farcical website recently. I found it by lurking on the marathon page you mentioned. I try to talk about running only to other runners or to people who ask me about it. I haven't had people act annoyed. On the contrary, they seem interested.

Let me know whether you decide to run Ogden with Meadow and me.

I just checked out the discussion on Meadow's thread. I won't bother you any more about Ogden until after CIM.

I'd wager that DOMS is a result of the hilly course you ran. Ice/cold water baths take some dedication, but the 1-2 minutes of agony (until everything goes numb) virtually guarantees that DOMS will be significantly reduced/nonexistant. Starting with just cold water, getting in and letting the numbness settle, *then* dumping in the ice helps take some of the edge off (but not all!).

Couldn't I just have a little Ibuprofen? ;)

You *could* but recent thinking says that may actually *delay* the healing process.

http://runningtowardsthefacts.blogspot.com/2007/12/is-ibuprofen-best-thing-for-muscle.html

***Bubble bursting***

Dang. I hate being cold and wet. Do people keep bags of ice on hand for this? Seems like what's in my ice cube trays wouldn't quite do the job. Thanks for the link. I'm trying to remember where I saw a video of the Goucher's working out with Alberto Salazar, and then getting in a special ice bath they have for the runners. Clothes and all. It was a vertical sort of tub and they both got in.

We've got a fridge with an icemaker that has a fair-sized bin that I'll use. I don't know what temps to aim for but that seems like more than enough for me. Actually, our water is cold to begin with (we're on our own well), so the ice doesn't have much work to do.

Yup, that'd be a whole *lot* of ice cube trays!

You could find a stream/river nearby and do a cold soak there. I've seen plenty of folks online take that route. Just be careful around here you don't get swept away!

Bizarre article; satirical or not! The racial reference is most annoying. I can understand the lack of interest people find with our running goals and accomplishments - not unlike people who do not like 'spectator' sports. But, to have so many negative opinions about the sport (or activity) is amazing. Why can't people just be tolerant and accept people for what they do (and, yes maybe runners need to practice a bit more silence on their daily accomplishments, too). I think so many folks these days have a marathon or half marathon on their bucket list and once that is accomplished (at whatever speed); it is over and they don't run EVER AGAIN....

DOMS - OUCH.....I only had that once quite severely after a downhill 1/2 marathon in which I was inadequately trained. I felt like the Tin Man in Oz for about 5 days. Unfortunately, ice does help.

My buddy Bruce has a hot tub and says that it flushes his system pretty well after a long run.

A couple weeks ago we did an 11.5 mile hard trail run and I thought for sure my legs would be sore. We hit the hot tub and it worked it's magic. No soreness at all. That was after some steep downhills too. We called it the "Hammer of the Quads" Led Zepelin